did you say it's imposible to pass all the training including landin on carier and fly the helecopters? well, if you try harder you'd come thru. i see that you a fan boy of ACE4. i agree ace4 is one hell of good fly game. graphic good. sounds good. gameplay good. i like its arcade style. AERO is simulating style. you shouldn't campare them here. This is 4th tile of . it wouldn't come this far if the game is bad as you says. now with arcade mode. it will sitisfy more people. 4eyes. i bet you have played GT3 right ? aye, you can't arguee GT3 is the best racing game yet right? in the simulation mode you also have to go thru all the licenses test, are they hard? hell yeah! if you pass them all with no gameshark, you master the skill of turns and breakings. same here, the purpose of training is to teach you flying tricks to use in the combat. it's the skill needed to fly this game. that's what seprates ARCADE and SIMULATION. yes the trainings they are hard, are you a man? yes you are! go play this game again, pass all the trainings and fly some missions, then you come back give us a better review of this game. i know you can do it. 4eyed dragon you are not totally wrong on some point. you are right the graphic of AERO-4 don't score high. game is based on dreamcast. since PS2 has no Antialiasing, the edges looks rough from some angles. and yes, the explotions doesn't looks a bit exciting, after 9.11 . how you expected people to see huge explotions ??? you tell me. nothing personal here. it's just point of views of you and me. well. mine is much deeper. hope you get to play *simulation* games more. LIE495's rating for : Graphics 9/10 Sounds 8/10 Value 10/10 GamePlay 9/10 Any suggestion or disgussions. contect me LIE495fc@yahoo.com or talk to me on AIM:LIE495HachiRoku