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This console war has gotten out of control. We, as gamers, should be looking at how screwed gaming is becoming now and the near future. Casual gamers are running the show. The Wii has penetrated the casual market. It is the #1 selling console. As such, businesses follow the money. What's sad is casual gamers probably don't care about games anymore than using their toaster. They find a cheap toaster, have breakfast and go about their day. To them, gaming is nothing more than satisfying a hunger for entertainment. Yet here we are fighting over consoles that are becoming extinct.

To add fuel to the fire, gaming has gotten so reliant with online that it has become a necessity. Again businesses follow the money. Games are incomplete off the shelf, requiring updates to fix them. Online services are preparing us for the future. That future will be download only movies, games, etc. While this may sound convenient, one must ask how this could be more beneficial to us versus how we do things now and in the past. The only thing I see is online service pitting themselves between you and the games. The only way to play is forcing us to subcribe to online to play games. It further requires us to agree to terms. To me, there is no benefit to relying on a service that may discontinue like Xbox did. Today, I can still play my old games without the threat of losing them. Let's stop cutting each others throat and work together to keep gaming as more than just an online toaster.

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ACEMANWISE wrote:This console war has gotten out of control. We, as gamers, should be looking at how screwed gaming is becoming now and the near future. Casual gamers are running the show. The Wii has penetrated the casual market. It is the #1 selling console. As such, businesses follow the money. What's sad is casual gamers probably don't care about games anymore than using their toaster. They find a cheap toaster, have breakfast and go about their day. To them, gaming is nothing more than satisfying a hunger for entertainment. Yet here we are fighting over consoles that are becoming extinct.

To add fuel to the fire, gaming has gotten so reliant with online that it has become a necessity. Again businesses follow the money. Games are incomplete off the shelf, requiring updates to fix them. Online services are preparing us for the future. That future will be download only movies, games, etc. While this may sound convenient, one must ask how this could be more beneficial to us versus how we do things now and in the past. The only thing I see is online service pitting themselves between you and the games. The only way to play is forcing us to subcribe to online to play games. It further requires us to agree to terms. To me, there is no benefit to relying on a service that may discontinue like Xbox did. Today, I can still play my old games without the threat of losing them. Let's stop cutting each others throat and work together to keep gaming as more than an online toaster.

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I agree also on this, I would love nothing more than everyone to get along like the super nintendo and sega days, I don't wanna be pushed into a gaming world where I cant pop in a cd to play a game, that would suck ass.

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Patron wrote:agree fully 100%. i can play games from 10 years or ago or longer and not worry about the gameplay, because its a great game. we will have to worry about this gen, because mostly all the games are online base. i hate it especially when the campaign isnt complete. Screw this Last gen for the win!

Look at the classic games offered on Live and PSN. So far I can laugh because I have the cartridge. In the future, though, they can pull the plug at any time. Then it won't be so funny. Right now they want 5 to 20 bucks for classic without guarantee of keeping it.

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Uh, not to be devil's advocate here but you guys do know that the mainstreaming of video games is a good thing all around right?

Think about it this way: yes, as the market grows to embrace the "casual gamer" you will see an increase in the number of watered down titles that don't appeal to the hardcore gamer. But the flipside is that you will see the number of hardcore gamers growing, as gaming becomes more and more socially acceptable and more and more people are exposed to gaming. Some of those casual gamers, hell, a lot of those casual gamers, have the potential crossover and become dedicated fans.

Also, if the video game market stayed the way it was back when it was the sole domain of the "hardcore," the market would have stagnated. The reason why we have things like the PS3, the 360 and the Wii is because the market was viable and the demand was there. This was no doubt helped along by the mainstream popularity of the Sony Playstation 2.

As more and more people play video games, the market will continue to grow, which means there will be more potential profits, which means companies have even more incentive to produce games and hardware. Yes, this does mean that you'll see more and more watered down crap games that appeal to the average Joe. But that doesn't mean that developers won't continue to try and push the envelope and that we won't continue to see groundbreaking titles on the level of a Metal Gear Solid 4 or a Halo 3. Casual games may sell but companies will continue to chase after that blockbuster hit, that mega popular game flies off the shelf.

There's no need to feel threatened. This is good for the industry as a whole and we should embrace it. Yes, it'll come with its fair share of negative aspects but they're far outweighed by the good.

Of course, I fully support any initiative to eliminate fanboyism, so I appreciate that aspect of your argument.

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Ahoy_and_Avast, the penetration of mainstream is a two way street. Watered down games can also lead to a loss of interest from hardcore gamers. Patron is a potential example of this. Also, watered down games is one of the causes of the video game crash of 1983. There were too many consoles, low quality, and over produced games. Nintendo saved the industry with the NES. Ironically, they may also be the ones to put us there with the WII. Even though measures have taken place since, shovelware has flooded the WII. Furthermore, the WII's representation of the casual market is very unique. Unlike the PS1, the WII's foundation for gaming relies on a controller gimmick. It is also very cheap. This console may sell well but may be short lived. This may mislead developers into thinking the Wii is a bigger hit than it really is, leading to over produced, low quality games. It may take 2 to 3 game purchases before the gimmick wears off. Unfortunately, their interest for something more "hardcore" is lost when shovelware is the only thing left. Thus an implosion occurs. Games are being made and people quit buying.

At the same time, hardcore gamers are being shuffeled through the online service industry. Too many 360 and PS3 models, rising gaming costs and a declining economy. The threat is there Avast, but the main threat comes from software control. Not many PC gamers with a game collection as far back as me. Is this why PC gaming is suffering? Not one online feature left for my 49 Xbox games. Imagine when gaming IS online. My lesson was learned as I am a victim of it already.

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ACEMANWISE wrote:This console war has gotten out of control. We, as gamers, should be looking at how screwed gaming is becoming now and the near future. Casual gamers are running the show. The Wii has penetrated the casual market. It is the #1 selling console. As such, businesses follow the money. What's sad is casual gamers probably don't care about games anymore than using their toaster. They find a cheap toaster, have breakfast and go about their day. To them, gaming is nothing more than satisfying a hunger for entertainment. Yet here we are fighting over consoles that are becoming extinct.

To add fuel to the fire, gaming has gotten so reliant with online that it has become a necessity. Again businesses follow the money. Games are incomplete off the shelf, requiring updates to fix them. Online services are preparing us for the future. That future will be download only movies, games, etc. While this may sound convenient, one must ask how this could be more beneficial to us versus how we do things now and in the past. The only thing I see is online service pitting themselves between you and the games. The only way to play is forcing us to subcribe to online to play games. It further requires us to agree to terms. To me, there is no benefit to relying on a service that may discontinue like Xbox did. Today, I can still play my old games without the threat of losing them. Let's stop cutting each others throat and work together to keep gaming as more than just an online toaster.

true but live is the shit....but i agree with everything els.

their trying to fuck us backwards.......and im getting tired of it........this whole online dependent gaming is garbage...paired with over priced substandard internet connections. i will resist the digital distribution.........

trying to give gamers all the BASIC EXPECTED features that Microsoft has set the trend for.
I have not downloaded 1 game I've had to pay for... And it will stay that way till the day I die.

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first off, i agree with most of whats been said... i definately think we need more campaign(sry i cant spell), however, there is a lot of benefit to online gaming: no crappy AI, its ALWAYS different, you can play with old friends that may have moved away. hell, should developers put more time into single player modes, yes... but what would you do if you were expecting awesome online play and they put all their time developing single player campaign? bitch about that... the grass is always greener

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and another thing, there is nothing wrong with fanboy-ism, i am a die-hard nintendo fanboy, however, i have nothing against microsoft or sony. in fact i cant wait to get my hands on a 360 and a PS3. each company ofers different gaming experiences that come together in a giant orgy of awesomness!

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