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Ive been seeing alot of PC question crop up and I thought I'd make a topic on here to help people out, if you need any help I am here or PM me and I'm sure Dinnerbandit will give you a helping hand too.

If you build your own rig I recommend the following: Intel Core 2 Duo e6300 or e6600 (either will do nicely and overclocking is a must to gain you even more performance per watt) 2GB DDR2 RAM (shoot for some Corsair XMS or even some cheap DRR2 RAM will do go for PC5300 as Core 2 CPU's dont care about which memory you use) ATI X1950 PRO 256MB (ATI now has the upper hand in OpenGL and Direct3D games though a DX10 card will future proof your system alot more though they are expensive and will only be tested if you either play with Vista or play games at stupidly high resolutions, the amount of video memory is based on what resolution you play at but 256MB should be more than enough for any DX9 game at 1024x768) 500W PSU (shoot for a reputable manufacturer as the low cost models will blow easily if you overclock makes like Tagan, Seasonic, or even BFG are good ones to go for the more part you put in the higher the wattage needs to be if you shoot for two GPU's you will need a 600W easily) Asus Striker (the motherboard is the most important part of the computer as this will decide everything else you buy for the system, I strongly recommend everyone who is trying to build new system go for a very extravagant motherboard and this will make things easier in the long run to upgrade later on, this board is by far the best Core 2 motherboard available today) Cooling (shoot for the Core 2 duo's best HSF the Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro this is a beast and will really allow the best overclocks possible from simply HFS cooling. Water cooling is a good way to go but as Ive no experience in the field I will not like to advise people on this very tricky and possible system fatal idea) Case (This is optional make sure you get a big enough case first to fit everything in and possibly some more upgrades later on.) HDD (This again is optional it all goes on what you are doing with your PC if its any kind of media like movie, picture editing or gaming then shoot for nothing below 250GB and go for a SATA-II connection the Western Digital Raptor X is the best choice or the Seagate makes are very good. If money is object then go for a SCSI drive these babies are flipping fast. If its only simple web browsing or office use then go for 160GB and you might want to go for IDE connection as this isnt as fast as SATA-II but will do the job either way.)

Everything else is optional for you as Ive covered every major component for your PC build, hope this helps all you PC lovers out there. Thanks.

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miyamoto666 wrote:Ive been seeing alot of PC question crop up and I thought I'd make a topic on here to help people out, if you need any help I am here or PM me and I'm sure Dinnerbandit will give you a helping hand too.

No, no I wont. ; ) I'm quite happy that my PC thread died...Damn kids and their questions...LOL

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the duo core 2 is so popular these days...........dam it.......i wanted to be the only kid on the block with all the power!! i wonder how amd is gonna fire back.........

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Ok.. I got currently Core Duo e6300 6GB worth of RAM, (1gb each) A really cool case which I don't know the name of An ATI Radeon 9800, A nVidia 7800 and a X1950 Asus Striker (I think) And a 700W PSU (As it says on the box it came in) A 400GB HDD And a Cooler Master Geminill (Looks cool.) What can I make out of that?

Edit: The RAM is DDR400

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Cha0sLord wrote:Ok.. I got currently Core Duo e6300 6GB worth of RAM, (1gb each) A really cool case which I don't know the name of An ATI Radeon 9800, A nVidia 7800 and a X1950 Asus Striker (I think) And a 700W PSU (As it says on the box it came in) A 400GB HDD And a Cooler Master Geminill (Looks cool.) What can I make out of that?

Edit: The RAM is DDR400

well lets start off at the CPU first its a nice CPU and will fit lovely in the ASUS Striker motherboard. The 700W PSU will give you more than enough juice to run everything. However seen as you have 6GB of DDR400 RAM and the ASUS Striker is not compatible with DRR RAM and only works with DDR2 RAM (unless the motherboard is backwards compatible then it will however the striker is not) so trade that in or sell it on ebay and get 2GB RAM make sure you shoot for PC5300 or over some Corsair Dominator RAM is the best at the moment but its expensive. The graphics cards I would get rid of the 9800, and the 7800 and keep the 1950 for the time being as this is the best out fo the three as long as its PCI-E then it should fit nicely within the Striker's slot if its AGP then trade all three in for either an ATI X1950XTX or if you have enough an Nvidia 8800GTX which will truly bring your games to life. The HDD is 400GB which is more than enough for anything you will do, though if its gaming please please go for a Western Digital Raptor X as these are fast though expensive they are the best for gaming.

Now if you enter the BIOS once the build is complete, find the CPU features and change the CPU Multiplier from what ever it is (i think its 6 for e6300) change it to around 8, go futhure if you will but make sure its cooled nicely first as you could blow it) this should up the CPU speed if you feel really lucky then change teh RAM timing to 6-6-6-18 and then you will be able to up the FSB to around 350MHz maybe even more! this will up the CPU power even future.

Over all this is a bloody decent PC build and the parts you have are good.

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iamthegamepro wrote:the duo core 2 is so popular these days...........dam it.......i wanted to be the only kid on the block with all the power!! i wonder how amd is gonna fire back.........

their too busy trying to glue a CPU chip to a CPU chip, silly really given the fact that these two will creat so much heat that water cooling will be the only option.

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miyamoto666 wrote:
iamthegamepro wrote:the duo core 2 is so popular these days...........dam it.......i wanted to be the only kid on the block with all the power!! i wonder how amd is gonna fire back.........

their too busy trying to glue a CPU chip to a CPU chip, silly really given the fact that these two will creat so much heat that water cooling will be the only option.

*CPU chip to a GPU chip

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miyamoto666 wrote:

Water cooling is a good way to go but as Ive no experience in the field I will not like to advise people on this very tricky and possible system fatal idea)

I've made the leap to liquid cooling and have never looked back. Tricky? Maybe, but if you've been building PC's for any number of years and you're suggesting to people to changing their multipliers to 8x and their ram timing to go off the chart like that you have to consider you are giving these people a license to kill their PC's without proper warning. Liquid cooling, while also dangerous if untrained, can yield just as much benefit as over-clocking your system to its limits.

BEFORE YOU OC YOUR COMPUTER, make sure your wallet can handle taking a hit just in case you've tempted fate one too many times in recent months. Its not rocket science, but miyamoto666 sounds like he's done this quite a few times before and doesn't really take into account the danger of damaging your system all too seriously as someone who may not have done this before.

Just to be clear - you are changing fundamental settings in your mobo and putting more power through your processor than the system was tested to handle safely under normal conditions. Its like a bicycle. Yes, you can make it go 75mph down the freeway, but its not recommended by the bicycle manufacturer.

A note on this, however: Historically Intel chips are purposely under-clocked (at least as of the P4 era - haven't heard anything about Core 2 to really substantiate this) to keep temperatures low and durability high. The hotter you run your chip, the smaller the lifespan. Now, this is probably going to be years shorter, and in the long run you won't have this PC 10 years to know that it could have been 20, but is worth mentioning.

Ah, and now to my point. If you can put a PC together from scratch, you should probably have most of the applicable skills to assemble a liquid cooling system. Beginner systems like the Bigwater by thermaltake are very easy to install, and are completely contained within the case itself. The only problems I've had with bigwater is that when left on for months at a time, the pump on them gets noisy. When you add in vid card and ram cooling, the system gets a bit large and you might want to upgrade to the larger bigwater or another system that can support it. One bonus us liquid cooling folks have is that most of our technology has been researched for us by the good folks in the aquarium industry. Pumps are easy to acquire and if you want to go with high flow, the option is there. Personally I have the Thermaltake Bigwater 745 with a Swiftech MCP655 pump that I bought for my Bigwater SE - I just like it better and it pumps better and a bit quieter. Total cooling system cost me about 190 after everything was said and done. I've got a vid-card block on my GForce 6800XT hooked in and am overclocking my P4 3.0 ghz to 3.5+ running at a cool 34C while running 3D mark. My fans keep the board cool, and my 2 gigs ram have heat shields to pull the heat off them.

Its a tough machine - a little dated, I concur, but still runs everything just fine.

Anyways: DON'T FEAR THE WATER!! just be careful and make sure your connections are good. Measure your tube length before cutting and just in case, buy a couple feet of extra tubing just in case you mess up. Its easy to do, and tubing is cheap.

Happy cooling!

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I will add that Enermax also makes a high quality, low budget Power Supply.

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i dont know about amd..but intel chips throttle back when the temp exceeds 80c chips dont simply burn out anymore....

but overclocking takes away from the life...because votage over time... destroys the circuitry. but you will probley upgrade your rig befor the cpu dies from high voltages...... it take about 6 years for an over clock to loose its speed and eventually become dysfunctional. who keeps a pc for more than 5 years anyway?

these days its best to get a main board that is able to upgrade to faster cpu's..... i know in about 2 years im gona move up to the quade core.. ill just take my 2cpu's out and put the 4 in....my board supports it

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